Talking Points: Suisei no Gargantia – Episode 7

Talking Points: Suisei no Gargantia - Episode 7

Shit really hit the fan this week. I’m glad after a bit of rest and relaxation the plot is ready to kick it back into high gear. Let’s see what people were saying about Suisei no Gargantia this week.

@nichiluna: breaking the coexistence system and dangerous consequence in #gargantia 07 http://twitpic.com/crsgy6 … great development

There has been a lot of speculation as to the relationship between the humans, the squids and the nano machines that create the light galaxies. Theories have been cropping up that tie the three together to form the basis for the Hideazu that terrorize the Galactic Alliance. I don’t find much value in positing what the background of Gargantia’s take on the universe is. We’ll find out when we find out.

What I do find interesting is the characterization of the relationship between mankind and their Cephalopod nemesis. Who was the original antagonist? We’re never told what the actual history between the two races are. All we know is that the Hideazu stop the progress of mankind. From that information alone we can’t conclude who attacked whom first.

Hideazu?

However, we can use the scenes from this week’s outing of Suisei no Gargantia to give us some insight on the original conflict. The sea faring people of Earth maintained a relatively peaceful relationship with the squids. It wasn’t until Ledo killed one of these squids did they decided to assault the humans. For all intents and purposes it looks like a form of self-defense.

But how can we draw the connection to the events on Earth to battles in outer space? We must turn to the closing moments of the episode where Pinion states that he would attack the nest of the squids to find hidden treasure tucked underneath the sea. Flange reiterates Pinion’s sentiments by stating that capturing the lost heritage of mankind would be for the progress of his fleet.

That is the operative word isn’t it? Progress. Ledo states the fight against the Hideazu is for the ‘progress’ of humanity. Two conflicts with similar motives. So let’s return to the original question: Who was the original antagonist? Could it have been the humans? Was there violation of ‘mutual coexistence’, much like Ledo killing the squid? There must be a reason there is no Alliance equivalent of that term in their dictionaries. Was it for greed, or the natural human impetus for growth? For now this is all but conjecture and a bit of food for thought to chew on.

@JenniferIrene3: #Gargantia episode 7 was good, it’s going back to the plot. But the show has a while to go before it gets back to its former glory. 7.75/10

I just mainly posted this Tweet because I dont quite understand it. Episodes 5 and 6 were some of the best television I have seen this year. Amy’s dance could even be considered one of my top 20 moments in all of my Anime watching. I’m just surprised to see anyone has anything to complain about this series. Then again it’s a testament to various tastes of the Anime watching population. I just hope this show goes down as one of the greats.

8 thoughts on “Talking Points: Suisei no Gargantia – Episode 7

  1. Judging from many of the comments from viewers about this, episodes 5 and 6 were extremely divisive. I’ve read compelling arguments from both sides of the table about Suisei no Gargantia use of fanservice. While I personally agree that Amy’s dance, to use one example, was not only portrayed in a way that was not only fascinating but also a fantastic mode of storytelling, I can see why others might disagree.

    • Yeah, I just wanted to let people know that I loved that scene in Suisei. It’s just one of those stand out moments to me that make me proud to be a fan of this medium.

  2. While this episode has successfully thrown Gargantia into a sea of trouble and complex conflicts, along with developing various characters further through their responses and stances on the killing of the whalesquid/Hideazu, I couldn’t help but be irked by several poor writing decisions. First and foremost, the revelation that harming the whalesquid was a huge taboo came out as jarring and misplaced, as there were absolutely no hints of this in previous episodes. Sure, the motivation was likely to amplify the shock/impact of the episode, but if the policy is such a big deal, why has it never being brought up earlier? Similarly, showing Commander Fearokku’s medical checkup and exposition about his feelings and duty toward the fleet, just to give him an ill-timed heart attack during a crucial staff meeting, all feels like a contrived method to up the tension of the episode. And as someone else has said about the whalesquid pod passover segment, the falling wrench scene was outright laughable.

    I have no problems with the direction of the plot; in fact, I was impressed with the setup of conflict between those who want to use Ledo and Chamber to salvage in whalesquid territory and those who oppose them, with Pinion becoming an unexpected big player. I also enjoyed details like the previously pristine Chamber being tarnished by squid guts, and Ledo falling back into his native tongue while arguing, symbolic of the loss of understanding between him and Amy. However, the episode suffered from the jarring execution of developments that sacrificed consistency for shock.

    • I think that’s justifiable in that it’s a short period of time. Nobody knows all the taboos, superstitions, and folklore of a society after a month. Especially in dealing with a rarely encountered animal. Plus, who could have known that Ledo would fly off the handle at the first sight of a whalesquid? So it’s not exactly the highest priority thing to tell him… until it is.

      • This is no mere superstition, but a potential threat that is able to retaliate, with dire consequences for the entire fleet. The average Gargantian may or may not ever deal with a whalesquid, but the salvagers most definitely do, and the two people that speak to him the most on Gargantia besides Chamber and Amy are both salvagers. Heck, Pinion even has a grudge against whalesquids for killing his brother! And Bellows herself witnessed Ledo pulling his gun on the octopus special platter just the day before, snarking that she couldn’t wait to see his reaction once a whalesquid showed up. Apparently she couldn’t take her own hint, since she was definitely not amused at his reaction when it did.

        • To speak on the point of how some of the events in the episode feel a bit contrived, I would say I have to agree. The Commanders heart attack did seem to come a bit out of left field. The shock the characters felt, wasn’t coming from the same place as the audience. The show could have just continued along the Pinion and Bellows narrative involving the whale squids and Ledo. The tension was delicious. The heart attack was just overkill.

          But I don’t feel if Ledo knew about the superstition surrounding the whale squids that his actions would have changed. His blind prejudice toward the Hideazu makes him disregard everyone, including Amy, a person he’s grown to admire.

  3. At some point long ago, it should have stopped mattering ‘who attacked first’. This is a long running conflict between the Hideauze and the Galactic Alliance, and while the lack of communication between the two sides is certainly a contributing factor to continuing war, I’ll be pretty disappointed if it turns into some farcical Star Trek TNG plot where “it’s all a big misunderstanding!”

    I personally think people are misinterpreting the actions of the Whalesquids in this episode. This wasn’t a retaliatory attack. This was a show of strength, but ultimately an attempt at deterrence. They want to be left alone, and just as we hear that they don’t attack unless provoked, they don’t attack the fleet, even with the supposed provocation of the previous attack. To me, this seemed like the equivalent of Teddy Roosevelt sending the Great White Fleet around the world. “We are a power, we have the strength, but we do not want to use it.”

    This indicates that the Whalesquids on Earth (and by extension, the Hideauze) are a sentient intelligent species, not some mindless space bugs that have to be eradicated. And the message that Chamber relays to Ledo, that the Earth humans have adopted a strategy of non-aggressiveness leading to mutual prosperity, may hold a key for the future of space humanity.

    • I would have to agree with you on the Hideazu being sentient. I didn’t make that clear in the post itself. I think this ideal of mutual coexistence will be the main theme of the show going forward. Not only for the two species, but for the crew of the (former) Gargantia, and even between the humans of Earth and space.

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